Sochi 2014 - will they be ready?

[Gypsy]

Anyone think they can get ready in time?

[xSnoofovich]

I do, for some strange reason !

[Gypsy]

Originally Posted by xSnoofovich I do, for some strange reason !

Ready, as in genuinely finished all they planned, or just about good enough to scrape by as long as no one looks too closely?

[Judge]

I'm confident everything will be ready on time.The paint might be wet in a few places and the odd screw loose,but when the big day comes all wil be ready..

There was an article the other day in the Moscow News...

So far all looks ok..
http://www.mn.ru/feature/20100301/55416918.html

[xSnoofovich]

Originally Posted by Gypsy Ready, as in genuinely finished all they planned, or just about good enough to scrape by as long as no one looks too closely?

LOL !

I think they will be ready in a Russian way....whatever that means.......

[Kraven Morehead]

I created another thread on this about 2 weeks ago. There was a video on it.

I think they will be ready, but if it only cost 15 billion, I will be shocked. If there is no environment damage, I will be shocked. The WWF have pulled its support.
There is a threat from Unesco of pulling its World Heritage site recommendation .


http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/News/ID=1427807051

[Kvartiraokhotnik]

I've just come back from Sochi and can recommend syeli i poyeli as a great stolovaya for cheap n simple domashnaya kuchyna, but ''cafe boobs'' in the centre does a tasty beef stroganov shaped like a pair of tits and served by a girl with a great pair of tits(marketing genius - the new mcdonalds i reckon )

As for the Olympiada they had a couple of newly built ski lifts providing access to lots of slopes - gornaya carousel and gasprom. Didnt try gas prom as i heard it werent great, but gornaya carousel was a tough ride for a man of my limited skiing talents. The main problem was the weather and the snow - it was plus ten in the town, so there werent much snow - hardly any of the slopes were open, and only the higher levels. someone told me they were thinking of bringing snow in from Siberia!

As for the local infrastructure its a nice resort with a lot of hotels - but whether they have enough for a winter olympics is another question. They've finished the new airport out there - stuff is being built everywhere (tunnels being made, even motorways being repaired), but i cant deny that they have shit loads of development to do to hold an event like the olympics.

[Kraven Morehead]

Like I said, it will be ready, but it will be the worst cost overrun for a winter Olympics. Unesco will threat to remove its recommendation for Heritage Site.
Environment will be harmed.
Building quality will lack- Do not believe see some of Olympic structures from 1980's Olympics.
Businessmen will profit remarkably What happens when you charge double and do half the work.
Russians athletes will feel that the pressure from Stalin to do well in the Olympics is nothing in comparison to what they are going to happen here.
Anyone who screws this up on Putin, will never be seen again.

[Scrat335]

Russia could have everything done on time, every nail straight and every corner of every building a perfect 90 degree angle and every road paved with gold. It would not be enough, no effort Russia will ever put into it will be appreciated, it will only be criticized at every turn.

If Shakeasswilly is in power in Georgia I expect problems to result with security also, possibly long before the event. A large part of the ruling regimes reason behind 8/8/08 was the possibilities concerning real estate in Abkhazia. The Georgian regime can only benefit from causing problems, even terrorism. Look at the situation in the Caucasus also.

[Kraven Morehead]

Originally Posted by Scrat335 Russia could have everything done on time, every nail straight and every corner of every building a perfect 90 degree angle and every road paved with gold. It would not be enough, no effort Russia will ever put into it will be appreciated, it will only be criticized at every turn. If Shakeasswilly is in power in Georgia I expect problems to result with security also, possibly long before the event. A large part of the ruling regimes reason behind 8/8/08 was the possibilities concerning real estate in Abkhazia. The Georgian regime can only benefit from causing problems, even terrorism. Look at the situation in the Caucasus also.

You must be a part of the Minster of Excuses. Blame Georgia or Chechnya already.

It was not their fault they picked Sochi which was plus +15 when the Vancouver Olympics were on. It is their fault, the majority of land was pre bought up and sold at a good profit (see your lovely Mayor for that) or they hand picked the mayor and denying certain candidates from actually trying to become a mayor. It was not their issue that they are already violated the original agreement about protecting Unesco Heritage site. Poor construction, that is Georgia's fault also see the video on the wharf being blown away.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_191663.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...hi-resort.html

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/may2...9-05-29-02.asp

Sochi Weather
http://www.cbc.ca/olympics/story/201...weather-s.html

Sochi Cost
http://en.rian.ru/business/20090929/156285726.html
Envirinmental Issues
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35606416...nter_olympics/

Sochi has many problems, but Georgia is not a part of any of them. Poor planning, costly corruption, unusually warm city, and fights with environmentalists. Most of these can be fixed.

[Scrat335]

You must be a part of the Minster of Excuses. Blame Georgia or Chechnya already.

Are you telling me that there is no possibility that the Muslim terrorists will not try to disrupt the events? I think that Russia will have problems with them for a long time too come. A chance to kill hundreds if not thousands of people and disrupt a major world event hosted by your enemy is not something I would pass up were I a terrorist. Think about it, a stadium filled with 1000s of people. A bomb goes off, the resulting confusion and panic leads to a stampede. It's the worst nightmare of any security organization. I think that Shakeasswilly and his regime are capable of something like this also. I'd keep a close eye on those people. It would be best to ensure he is pushing up daisies come 2014 in my opinion. The lives of good citizens are too valuable to risk around that demented pederast.

As for the conditions I think you're barking up the wrong tree. The region Sochi is in is much like the place I live. The Puget Sound region of Washington state is cut off from the rest of the state by the Cascade mountains to the east and the Olympic mountains to the west, beyond that is our real weather maker, the Pacific. As I am typing this it is about 13c outside. If I drive 50 miles to the east it will be probably -3c with at least 3 meters of snow. This was a very bad year for snow in the Cascades. It was a very bad year for snow in Vancouver also and they had to import snow a few times for events. Sochis climate is much like this but 8 out of 10 years nature performs as expected. Lots and lots of snow in the Cascades.

In truth I think Russia will have trouble pulling this off but will do it in the end. There will be problems during construction and there already have been. See my first post about how the media will behave either way. I also can think of one other benefit. If Russia shows it can do it and has the ability to fend off the special interests and do things efficiently, business will take note and Russia will become known as a place where you can build a factory and not have every leftie nutjob environmentalist telling you what to do.

That is not necessarily a good thing.

[Kraven Morehead]

Originally Posted by Scrat335 Are you telling me that there is no possibility that the Muslim terrorists will not try to disrupt the events? I think that Russia will have problems with them for a long time too come. A chance to kill hundreds if not thousands of people and disrupt a major world event hosted by your enemy is not something I would pass up were I a terrorist. Think about it, a stadium filled with 1000s of people. A bomb goes off, the resulting confusion and panic leads to a stampede. It's the worst nightmare of any security organization. I think that Shakeasswilly and his regime are capable of something like this also. I'd keep a close eye on those people. It would be best to ensure he is pushing up daisies come 2014 in my opinion. The lives of good citizens are too valuable to risk around that demented pederast. As for the conditions I think you're barking up the wrong tree. The region Sochi is in is much like the place I live. The Puget Sound region of Washington state is cut off from the rest of the state by the Cascade mountains to the east and the Olympic mountains to the west, beyond that is our real weather maker, the Pacific. As I am typing this it is about 13c outside. If I drive 50 miles to the east it will be probably -3c with at least 3 meters of snow. This was a very bad year for snow in the Cascades. It was a very bad year for snow in Vancouver also and they had to import snow a few times for events. Sochis climate is much like this but 8 out of 10 years nature performs as expected. Lots and lots of snow in the Cascades. In truth I think Russia will have trouble pulling this off but will do it in the end. There will be problems during construction and there already have been. See my first post about how the media will behave either way. I also can think of one other benefit. If Russia shows it can do it and has the ability to fend off the special interests and do things efficiently, business will take note and Russia will become known as a place where you can build a factory and not have every leftie nutjob environmentalist telling you what to do. That is not necessarily a good thing.

Really? Georgians are orthodox, not muslim.
It was Putin who picked the location amongst the tribes of Caucasus. You have hundred of tribes that would benefit from terrorist attack in this region. Both pro Russian and anti Russian. Look how much money Pakistan receives from the Americans and they are pro American. Georgia would suffer, because they would be wiped off this earth. If there is act of terrorism, the people who benefit the most is the ones who are "victims" and need a Russian military base and money spent by such a base. So you hatred of Saakshivilli is clouding your judgment. He is an idiot.

I am familiar with the areas spoken. But Sochi is generally warmer than Vancouver and Vancouver struggled. Maybe Barnaul or other cities would have been a better choice. Unfortunately business interests took place. Other factors are there also.

The goal is not just the Olympics, but the fact they are run according to plan, budget, and without issue.

[Carbo]

Why on earth would Georgia attack? It would be signing its own death warrant and knows it fine well. Maybe some crazies who have nothing to lose, but I think Georgia had its nose well bloodied by the beat down it took from Russia when it last started a war with its big neighbour, so it won't do much this time.

No, if the Olympics fails then they'll fail for the reasons that most things go wrong in Russia: quite a bit of bureaucratic incompetence but a truly breathtaking amount of corruption.

[Carl]

Originally Posted by Scrat335 Russia could have everything done on time, every nail straight and every corner of every building a perfect 90 degree angle and every road paved with gold. .

How can you make such a statement..??
You obviously don't live here... but have you even ever been here? Given most of your statements, I have my doubts...

[tvadim133]

Originally Posted by Carbo Why on earth would Georgia attack? It would be signing its own death warrant and knows it fine well. Maybe some crazies who have nothing to lose, but I think Georgia had its nose well bloodied by the beat down it took from Russia when it last started a war with its big neighbour, so it won't do much this time. No, if the Olympics fails then they'll fail for the reasons that most things go wrong in Russia: quite a bit of bureaucratic incompetence but a truly breathtaking amount of corruption.

Georgia: FSB can work in Russia very good! So if there can be some tries from Georgia (I would say from some chechen, arabd who are in Georgia now), it will happen not in Sochi (as I can guess, in some other cities, probably).

Sochi: Do not even worry about it!

Money, Directive style of management in National projects and Money again (price for oil is incerasing) will do their work in Sochi!

If there is no snow they will bring it from Siberia.

I hope that Russia will win a bit more then 15 medals (may be 17)